The article below was written by me and published on this site on 11 September 2016.

 

Blog article 11 September 2016

This article is the second in a series about “Doctor Phil” Pringle the head pastor of C3 Global Church and other aspects of C3.

 

C3 Global Church headquarters

C3 Global Church church has its headquarters in the northern Sydney suburb of Oxford Falls about 30 minutes north of Sydney’s Central Business District when there is light traffic, which is not very often these days in Sydney.

It now has over 1000 churches world-wide under it’s umbrella.

 

Attending C3 church

In 1996 I started attending C3 Oxford Falls.

C3 Oxford Falls numbered about 3000 in those days. I’m not up with current numbers but they’ve built a larger main church building since then so I assume the numbers are about 5000.

 

What was C3 Oxford Falls like in 1996?

The style was quite lay-back then and there was a good Holy Spirit anointing. They had an active home bible study system going meeting in homes throughout northern Sydney on a week-night.

I attended one in Neutral Bay and the leaders were nice people and the congregants friendly.

 

Prayer meeting

There was a church prayer meeting each Tuesday night from 6-7pm. About thirty people attended. It was an unusual prayer meeting in that there was little corporate prayer and everyone wandered about the auditorium praying alone.

 

Children’s ministry

There was a busy and happy children’s ministry. My children seemed to like it.

 

Impressions of Phil Pringle and the pastors in the late 1990s

Phil Pringle has always had a giant-sized ego however he has made some great things happen. I think he was Ok in those days. He had a lot of faith. The leaders around him like Simon McIntyre, Greg French and Mark Kelsey seemed like nice people.

I got to know Simon a bit.

There was a really nice friendly younger pastor there Paul Bucknell. He was very kind to me and was my pastor for a year or so. Then he went to Los Angeles to help out with a C3 church there.

 

I’ll continue this series.

 

Hillsong and C3 Church pastor Pat Mesiti- Brian Houston’s close friend and prodigy. A self-confessed sex-addict, anger management issues like Brian and physically violent to his wife. Attacked and bashed his wife on New Years Eve 2015. Now has a Domestic Apprehended Violence Order on him and a physical assault conviction. Pat’s wife Andrea divorced him last year for cheating on her with loose ladies while he was on “ministry trips”, which were really covert sex holidays.

 

The article below of mine was first published on this site on 16 October 2015.

 

Blog article 16 October 2015

I’ve been contacted by a high up Hillsong insider who believes that Hillsong has gone off the rails and wants to tell their story.

This article is the second in a series of articles publishing the eye-witness testimonies of this Hillsong insider.

Today I’m going to continue on from my first article on this site in the current series, ‘Hillsong scandals and improprieties. Hillsong insider speaks out. Part one. The truth about Pat Mesiti’s adulteries with prostitutes’.

To recap this is what the Hillsong insider reported to me.

Hillsong insider speaks:

“Pat Mesiti committed adultery with Darlinghurst prostitutes while he was a famous Hillsong Youth Alive pastor preaching to thousands of young people.

Pat Mesiti was caught by paying for the services of prostitutes using a Hillsong Church credit card.

Pat Mesiti had an adulterous affair, while he was married, with a young Hillsong worship leader.

He divorced his wife and married the young Hillsong worship leader who he had the affair with.

The pursuit and even harassment of young attractive women in Hillsong church by older Hillsong men and leaders is common. In fact it is part of the inner culture of Hillsong church”.

My comments:

The writer Donald Elley

The writer Donald Elley of Bellingen.

A number of questions come to mind after hearing this series of statements from the Hillsong insider.

Firstly, why hasn’t Hillsong informed us, the Body of Christ, or even it’s own members, or even the pastors in the Australian Assemblies of God movement (AoG) or even it’s own pastors at Hillsong of the facts about what Pat Mesiti did?

After all, in the years around 2000 when Pat Mesiti committed these spiritual and moral offences, Pastor Pat Mesiti, as he was known then, was by far the most prominent Christian Youth Pastor in Australia. Even I’d heard of him.

I heard of him because I had to hear from him because until 2001 I was attending the Hillsong organisation at Christian Life Centre (CLC), Waterloo, the second incarnation of Hillsong. The first incarnation was CLC Darlinghurst where I spent eight years from 1981 when we all moved across to the new building at Waterloo.

I’ve known Brian Houston since before he became a pastor. In 1981-3 a young Brian with longer hair than his current hair transplant enhanced crop and a trendy moustache, was ‘preaching up a storm’, like his old pedophile father Frank Houston did, at CLC Darlinghurst.

This was before Hillsong’s third incarnation as Hillsong Baulkhams Hills.

Brian Houston circa 1983

Brian Houston circa 1983, ‘preaching up a storm’ like daddy used to do.

When a young Brian preached in say 1983, it was like twin jet engines spluttering on the tarmac. At first there was a loud roar, followed by a series of splutters and then the fuel hit the pay-load and it was all on. Seagulls scattered and a foul wind of burnt high-octane aircraft fuel poured out of the engines. The roar became unbearable and then it faded into the distance as Brian stopped preaching.

And we, the poor guinea pigs, at CLC Darlinghurst had to grin and bear it.

Pat Mesiti’s preaching is much the same. Thankfully Pat flies a smaller aircraft. But the assault on the senses, particularly the ears, is still the same. A cacophony of sounds delivered at high speed and high intensity without much content.

I don’t know if Pat Mesiti went to Bible College but if he did he didn’t listen, and he certainly didn’t attend or listen to the ethics class.

What’s wrong with having sex with prostitutes?

It’s quite common in Italy, where Pat Mesiti’s ancestors came from, to visit prostitutes, even after you’re married. Decades ago, say in the 1960s and before, it was even socially acceptable in Italy to visit prostitutes and to have a mistress when you married, particularly if you were wealthy. The French still think like this, even today. It’s a European thing. And it’s become an Australian thing. The Australian sex industry and the brothel industry turns over billions of dollars annually. It has for decades.

I don’t know where Pat went and what naughty Pat did with whom?

I hope Pat used condoms, otherwise he might have Aids, HIV, another STD like gonorrhoea, or hepatitis B.

Whether Pat used a Hillsong credit card to have sex with a young woman, an older more experienced cougar, a man, a bisexual or whatever, I simply don’t know.

I’d like to think Pat visited a nice attractive top-end expensive female prostitute on that Hillsong credit card. Someone who insists her clients use condoms and washes with disinfectant between clients. I have no idea. My Hillsong insider didn’t know any more. I don’t know any more. Does anyone want to know anymore? Probably only naughty Pat Mesiti knows the full story. And he’s not telling.

I’d like to know the gender of the prostitutes, the age, how many times Pat visited prostitutes, which suburb did he go to etc etc…just the general details would be enough.

Pat. the general details would be enough.

“Pastor” Pat. The general details would be enough.

What’s wrong with having sex with prostitutes on a Hillsong church credit card?

If a man goes to a brothel in his spare time, isn’t a Christian, isn’t a pastor, wears a condom and behaves properly, and pays for the experience out of his own hard-earned cash, that’s one thing.

But when a man is not only a Christian, but is a very prominent Youth Pastor preaching to thousands of innocent believing young people, is going to a brothel on a Church credit card wrong?

I think I just answered the question. It’s prima facie wrong. You don’t even need to open your Bible. Any average Joe or Jill non-church-goer wouldn’t support the action.

What’s wrong with having sex with prostitutes on a Hillsong church credit card when you’re a famous trusted Christian Youth evangelist preaching to thousands of innocent believing young people, including Donald Elley of Bellingen’s older children?

Everything.

So what should have happened to Pat Mesiti when he got caught having sex with prostitutes on a Hillsong credit card, and cheated on his wife with a young Hillsong worship leader, at the same time?  An unholy mess. And should he have been ‘restored’ by Pastor Phil Pringle, the CEO of C3 international Church, which has it’s headquarters on Sydney’s Northern Beaches?

Firstly, what should have happened to Pat Mesiti when he got caught having sex with prostitutes on a Hillsong credit card, and also cheating on so wife with an young attractive female worship leader?

If I was Brian Houston, Pat Mesiti’s boss at the time, the first action I would have taken is to send Pat to a Medical Centre for an Aids/ HIV/ STD/ Hepatitis B blood and skin test. Then I would have asked the young worship leader Pat was involved with at the time to go and do the same thing. Then I would have told his wife to do the same thing. Then I would have verified whether Pat had slept with any other women besides prostitutes. If there were any I would have told them to do the same thing. Yes, it’s quite messy when we play around when we’re married, especially if we’re a prominent Christian Youth pastor and famous evangelist, and especially if it’s with prostitutes and with an attractive young Hillsong worship leader.

What does the New Testament in the Holy Bible say about famous pastors who do very public sexual sins like Pat did?

Sure King David did some bad stuff and God blessed him despite this. But he was a king and times were different back then.

Our guide book for sexual sins and the sexual sins of pastors is the New Testament.

I’m not going to do a whole Bible teaching on the subject.

The grace of God is very great, but there are very high Bible standards for pastors and teachers.

When we commit extremely serious sexual sins like Pat Mesiti did, it’s important to be honest. I think the worst thing about what Pat did is that he’s never come clean about what he did. He’s tried to cover it up, rationalise his addictive sexual sins, minimise them, and sanitise them, in the same way that his mentor, so-called Pastor Brian Houston, who is in reality not a pastor at all, more of a money-making charlatan than anything else…in the same way that so-called Pastor Brian Houston has tried to minimise and sanitise the sins of his old life-long pedophile father, Frank Houston against little boys.

The Brian Houston, Phil Pringle and Hillsong spin words for extremely serious spiritual and moral sins like pedophilia and visiting prostitutes on church credit cards is “moral failure”, “serious moral failure” or “addiction issues”.

These are the terms Brian Houston, Phil Pringle and Pat Mesiti himself have used in all communications to the Hillsong movement, C3 movement, and the media, since circa 2000, when the pedophile Frank Houston, and the then sex-addict Pat Mesiti, were both caught out for their repeated long-term sins by Hillsong. In Frank Houston, the founder of Hillsong’s  case, the repeated sins were lifelong pedophilia. In Pat Mesiti’s case I’m not sure how long Pat was a sex addict and whether he still struggles with that issue.

“Moral failure”, “serious moral failure” or “addiction issues”. This is the problem with Hillsong. They try to ‘spin’ their way out of everything. Lies, half-truths, reinventions, even ‘restorations’. These are the grubby circus tricks of the Houstons and those associated with them.

Was Pat Mesiti restored?

I doubt it. I can see zero evidence of it.

I don’t think Phil Pringle did anything at all to restore naughty Pat.

Pat is still the greedy man full of avarice and financial ambition that he was before the restoration, and probably worse.

Is Pat Mesiti still seeing prostitutes on church credit cards? 

I hope not. His second wife, the one he was seeing behind his wife’s back, the young Hillsong worship leader, looks like a nice person.

with second wife. i wonder how Pat's first wife is getting along these days?

Pat with second wife.

I wonder how Pat’s first wife is getting on these days.

The trouble for Pat is that the New Testament has very high standards for Christian pastors, teachers and evangelists.

As the great Apostle Paul taught, there’s a much greater standard and a much greater accountability for pastors, teachers and evangelists.

By New Testament teaching on pastors and teachers if you do what Pat Mesiti did as a famous preacher and teacher, you’re finished. Hang up the pastor hat and do something else.

It doesn’t mean you’re finished as a Christian. It may be that if you truly repent and seek the face of God, you’re only just beginning.

But as far as being a pastor is concerned, forget it. What Pat did as a famous Christian pastor is just too bad.

This is the problem with Christians today. In John G Lake’s time and Smith Wigglesworth’s time the questions I’m exploring wouldn’t have been explored. In those days it would have been simple morality math:

Being a very famous Christian Youth Pastor plus cheating on your wife plus pursuing a young Christian worship leader at your church and having sex with her behind your wife’s back plus cheating on your wife with prostitutes plus using a Church credit card to cheat on your wife with prostututes equals “You’re finished as a pastor…goodbye and goodnight”.

John G Lake. Holy man of God. Didn't put a foot wrong while a famous healing evangelist.

John G Lake. Holy man of God. Didn’t put a foot wrong. A famous healing evangelist.

Smith-Wigglesworth. One of the greats who has gone before us

Smith-Wigglesworth. One of the greats who has gone before us

Evan Roberts. A famous leader in the Welsh Revial of 1904-5. Knew the Word and the mighty power of God, in a way few have known..

Evan Roberts. A famous leader in the Welsh Revial of 1904-5. Knew the Word and the mighty power of God, in a way few have known.

Kathryn Kulmann. demanded the very highest standards from those under her leadership.

Kathryn Kulmann. Demanded the very highest standards from those under her leadership.

In Bellingen where I live, the Green-led Bellingen Shire Council has chain-sawed down 120 year old beautiful old historic Camphor Laurels.

The Greens regard Camphor Laurels as weeds.

I’m not voting Green any more. It’s a waste of a vote.

The Greens are also fighting big-time on a national level in Australia. The article below is about that story.

The Daily Telegraph

PEACENIKS AT WAR

The party of peace and tolerance is brawling big-time.

Fairfax reports:

Federal Greens MPs have launched an extraordinary attack on their colleague Lee Rhiannon, accusing the senator of betraying them by attempting to derail the party’s school funding negotiations with the Turnbull government.

Fairfax Media can reveal all nine of Senator Rhiannon’s federal colleagues – including leader Richard Di Natale – have co-signed a letter of complaint against her that has been sent to the powerful Greens national council.

“Powerful” is a relative term.

A senior Greens source described the intervention as “seismic” and said it could make the NSW hardliner’s position in Parliament untenable.

Another source said: “This is unprecedented. Lee has breached the faith of the party and the party room.”

And now:

Rogue Greens senator Lee Rhiannon could soon be expelled from the party after all nine of her federal colleagues made a formal complaint about her conduct during recent school funding negotiations.

But Senator Rhiannon’s hardline factional supporters have hit back at party leader Richard Di Natale and his allies, calling on them to retract the complaint and hinting at retaliation if it goes any further.

It’s on.

The article below about Sydney’s Anglican Archbishop Glen Davies views about gay marriage was published in ABC Australia on 31 March this year.

ABC News Australia

Gay marriage campaigners bullying Australians who are against it, Anglican Archbishop says

Updated 31 Mar 2017, 8:30pm

Same-sex marriage advocates are bullying people into accepting a legislative change, despite a majority of Australians being against it, Sydney’s Anglican Archbishop Glen Davies says.

Speaking to the ABC, Archbishop Davies said people who support marriage between a man and a woman are being shut out of the debate and coerced into silence.

“People have been sold a lie, their views are shutdown, marginalised, ostracised and pilloried in a bullying fashion,” he said.

“Even in Aboriginal culture marriage is valued as between a man and a woman.”

The Archbishop said he believed a national vote would reveal most Australians were against gay marriage.

“A plebiscite would identify there isn’t strong support for same-sex marriage as the proponents wish us to believe,” he said.

“It’s a monochrome view in the minority and it’s certainly not the view of the Australian Parliament.”

He said there would be widespread societal consequences particularly for children of same-sex parents if same-sex marriage was legalised.

The Archbishop also criticised big businesses that have recently added their support to the campaign for that change.

“I can’t see why same-sex marriage has anything to do with business for Pricewaterhouse or IBM or Google — why don’t they start talking about immigration, Aboriginal detention,” he questioned.

“They have been misled and bullied into taking a stance on the grounds of diversity.”

Archbishop’s views don’t reflect reality: advocacy groups

The Equality Campaign, an advocacy group for same-sex marriage, said the Archbishop’s position did not reflect the truth.

“Poll after poll has shown there’s a clear majority of Australians in favour of marriage equality, marriage equality has one of the highest approval ratings in the world,” The Equality Campaign’s director Tiernan Brady said.

The group says disrespectful language could be extremely harmful and the proposed changes for same-sex marriage did not pose any threat.

“Equality is not interfering with any religious sacrament, it’s about allowing all our brothers and sisters, friends and neighbours to have the same rights,” Mr Brady said.

“Nobody will become less married, nobody will become more gay.”

The Federal Government’s bid to hold a plebiscite on legalising same-sex marriage was voted down in the Upper House last November, 33 votes to 29.

 Comedian Kathy Griffin holds a bloody, decapitated likeness of President Donald Trump (Tyler Shields courtesy TMZ)

CNN, the cable-news network which has featured Kathy Griffin in its New Year’s Eve broadcasts for a decade, has decided to cut its ties with the celebrity after the comedian’s bloody photo shoot with a mock head of a decapitated President Trump.

“CNN has terminated our agreement with Kathy Griffin to appear on our New Year’s Eve program,” the network tweeted on Wednesday.

CNN anchor Anderson Cooper, who has co-hosted with Griffin, also expressed his own personal shock, tweeting: “For the record, I am appalled by the photo shoot Kathy Griffin took part in. It is clearly disgusting and completely inappropriate.”

Griffin is now apologizing and begging for forgiveness for the photo shoot that features her holding the bloody, severed head of a figure resembling Trump.

“I am sorry. I went too far. I was wrong,” Griffin tweeted Tuesday evening.

The U.S. Secret Service has reportedly launched a probe into the incident.

“Law enforcement sources tell us the Secret Service has launched an investigation into ‘the circumstances surrounding the photo shoot,’” TMZ reported Wednesday. “We’re told agents will most likely attempt to interview her and Tyler.”

The shoot, documented by TMZ, was with famed photographer Tyler Shields, known for creating edgy photographs.

“Tyler and I are not afraid to do images that make noise,” said Griffin in a video posted by TMZ.

“First, I’m an artist,” she explains, as she is shown holding the gory image of the Trump lookalike near her own head.

image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2017/05/kathy-griffin-video-donal-trump-bloody-beheaded-tmz-600.png

Then she clowns with Shields about the possibility of her going to federal prison for her provocative posing and the immediate need to move south of the border.

“We have to move to Mexico today because we’re gonna go to prison. Federal prison. … Because we’re not surviving this, OK?”

Reaction to the gruesome imagery has not been favorable.

“If Kathy Griffin really wanted to shock people, if that was her objective, to shock people, you know what she should do? Try being funny,” noted radio titan Rush Limbaugh on his Wednesday broadcast. “That would stun people. That would really shock them, that she could be funny.”

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Trump lashed out Wednesday morning at Griffin, saying his kids — especially his youngest son Barron — are having a difficult time with the gory image of the comic holding their father’s bloody head.

“Kathy Griffin should be ashamed of herself. My children, especially my 11 year old son, Barron, are having a hard time with this. Sick!” he tweeted about 7:30 a.m.

The president’s child was watching television and yelled for his mother after seeing the disturbing image flash across the screen, reported TMZ.

“Mommy, mommy!” the panicked child reportedly screamed.

First lady Melania Trump said that ‘[a]s a mother, a wife, and a human being, that photo is very disturbing.

“When you consider some of the atrocities happening in the world today, a photo opportunity like this is simply wrong and makes you wonder about the mental health of the person who did it.”

Sarah Palin, a frequent target of Griffin, also jumped on the bandwagon and blasted the “sick” display.

“No one should be shocked at the sick audacity of sick characters. Kathy is a hurting individual. She needs help,” she tweeted.

Donald Trump Jr., the eldest son of the president, tweeted: “Disgusting but not surprising. This is the left today. They consider this acceptable. Imagine a conservative did this to Obama as POTUS?”

“Since when did this kind of behavior become OK?” the Republican Party stated on its Twitter account.

Chelsea Clinton expressed her strong displeasure, tweeting: “This is vile and wrong. It is never funny to joke about killing a president.”

Jedediah Bila, co-host of “The View, noted: “And now everyone’s talking about it. Which is why she does stuff like this, even if it’s vulgar.”

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Griffin herself is now pulling the plug on her own comedy, issuing a video apology:

“I sincerely apologize,” she said.

“I am just now seeing the reaction of these images. I’m a comic. I crossed the line. I move the line, then I cross it. I went way too far. The image is too disturbing. I understand how it offends people. It wasn’t funny. I get it. I’ve made a lot of mistakes in my career. I will continue. I ask your forgiveness. [I’m] taking down the image. [I’m] gonna ask the photographer to take down the image, and I beg for your forgiveness. I went too far. I made a mistake and I was wrong.”

TMZ posted an online poll to gauge reaction to Griffin’s photo. With about 40,000 respondents, 72 percent say the photo goes “too far,” with 28 percent indicating it’s “fair game.”

Even followers of “Satan” found Griffin’s stunt repugnant.

Mike Cernovich tweeted, “CNN has yet to issue a statement about Satanic-ISIS death threats made by its employee Kathy Griffin.”

The Church of Satan responded, “Please do not include us in this.”

image: http://www.wnd.com/files/2017/05/satan.png

Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway noted that Griffin had ample opportunity to back out of the pre-arranged stunt.

“Kathy Griffin did not misspeak or misstep. She plotted & posed for photoshoot. Ample time for reflection/correction,” she tweeted.

Griffin is no stranger to controversy, and certainly no fan of Trump.

Following the president’s address to Congress in March, she told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews she didn’t enjoy having to “watch this idiot for an hour and nine minutes” say “one hateful thing after another.”

“I’m a big resister and I don’t believe in compromise with this president. I also think he’s crazy, I think he’s mentally ill. He’s also an idiot.”

As WND reported in 2007, Griffin used her appearance on the Emmy awards program to tell Jesus to “suck it” and to claim full credit for the honor for herself.

At the 59th annual Creative Arts Emmy Awards, she was honored for having the Outstanding Reality Program “My Life on the D-List,” overtaking ABC’s “Extreme Makeover: Home Edition” after several attempts.

“I guess hell froze over,” Griffin announced. “A lot of people come up here and thank Jesus for this. He had nothing to do with this. … Suck it, Jesus! This award is my god now.”

Griffin also kissed the crotch of Anderson Cooper during a live New Year’s Eve broadcast as 2012 was becoming 2013.

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Sky News Australia

Comedian Kathy Griffin fears arrest over Trump beheading photo

A tearful Kathy Griffin reveals she is the subject of a Secret Service investigation over the heavily criticised stunt.

Friday 02 June 2017

 

Kathy Griffin was tearful during the news conference

Video: Comedian: I’m not going to be Trump’s ‘collateral damage’

Comedian Kathy Griffin has claimed Donald Trump is using the furore around a photo in which she appeared with a likeness of his severed head to divert attention from the FBI investigation into Russian meddling in the US election.

At a news conference on Friday, Griffin tearfully predicted her career was over and revealed she was the subject of a Secret Service investigation and fears being arrested after the release of the photo.

The image is posted at the end of this article to avoid offending those who may find it too gory.

But the 56-year-old comedian insisted she will continue to make jokes about Mr Trump as she accused him, First Lady Melania and his children of “personally trying to ruin my life forever”.

“What’s happening to me has never happened ever in the history of this great country, which is that a sitting President of the United States and his grown children and the First Lady are personally trying to ruin my life forever,” she said.

Kathy Griffin (R) during a news conference about the image of a replica of Donald Trump's severed head
Image:Griffin (R) says the Trumps are trying to ruin her life

“They are using me as the shiny object so that nobody is talking about his FBI investigation.

“It’s quite clear they are trying to use me as a distraction and I’m not going to be collateral damage for this fool.”

She also dismissed the claim that Mr Trump’s son Barron, 11, was traumatised by the photo.

President Trump responded to the work by tweeting that the comedian “should be ashamed of herself”.

“My children, especially my 11-year-old son, Barron, are having a hard time with this. Sick!,” he wrote.

NEW YORK, NY - DECEMBER 31: Kathy Griffin Yells at Ryan Seacrest from the media riser while Anderson Cooper restrains her during New Year's Eve 2017 in Times Square at Times Square on December 31, 2016 in New York City. (Photo by Theo Wargo/Getty Images)
Image:Griffin was fired from CNN’s New Year’s Eve special over the stunt

The stunt also received a strong backlash from both ends of the political spectrum.

Within hours of the photo being published, Griffin apologised and asked photographer Tyler Shields to remove it and a behind-the-scenes video explaining the work from his blog.

Despite the apology, she was fired from her job co-hosting CNN’s New Year’s Eve special and has had at least four comedy shows cancelled.

Speaking on Friday, Griffin insisted it was a parody meant to address Mr Trump’s remark last year that former Fox News presenter Megyn Kelly had “blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of wherever”.

She added she has received death threats over the stunt, which involved a mask mounted on a Styrofoam wig mould.

She said: “I’m not laying down for this guy. I’m going to keep making jokes about this guy.”

The photo was taken by photographer Tyler Shields
Image:The photo was taken by photographer Tyler Shields